Showing posts with label gifted. Show all posts
Showing posts with label gifted. Show all posts

Sunday, March 22, 2015

Gifted Education in Ireland and the United States

Sometimes it pays to have a coffee and keep on going!

When I got up this Saturday morning, I felt daunted by the day ahead. After my first week back at work full-time in 20 years, I was running out of steam. By the time I had finished my morning clinic, I really wanted to go home to bed. However, I dragged myself off to DCU instead. What a great decision that turned out to be!


First up was a talk for parents given by Prof Deborah Eyre. While some speakers on giftedness can be very dry and academic, Deborah was engaging, warm and relatable. She gave lots of very practical advice which was gratefully received by a large and appreciative crowd of parents. Many thanks to Dr Colm O’Reilly who always brings great speakers to CTYI.

Then I spent a very exciting hour in The Hub bar with Dazzled. A pint of Guinness and a bag of Tayto cheese and onion crisps in front of the Ireland-Scotland rugby match on a Saturday afternoon...who could ask for more?! Whilst I was well behaved, I reckon Dazzled could be heard shouting from all over the campus :-(

Prof Deborah Eyre, Dr Colm O'Reilly, Dr Jennifer Cross
Re-energised by Prof Eyre’s talk and the rugby win, we headed off to the launch of a new book “Gifted Education in Ireland and the United States”. This book was the brainchild of Colm O’Reilly of CTYI and brings together the expertise of the staff of CTYI and the Centre for Gifted Education at the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Over the past few years, CTYI and the College of William and Mary have formed very close ties, with Prof Tracy Cross due to arrive in Ireland in September to spend six months here as a Fulbright Professor at DCU. The two institutions have collaborated on several pieces of research, most notably, Dr Jennifer Cross’s recently published study on the attitudes of Irish teachers to gifted students. This book is yet another huge step forward towards putting gifted education on the map in Ireland. It will be a very useful source of information, ideas and advice for both parents and teachers alike and can be bought through Amazon in both paperback and Kindle versions.

We had the pleasure of chatting to Deborah Eyre, who launched the book. I think we often take CTYI for granted. Not alone do Colm O’Reilly and his staff run the wonderful classes and courses that our children attend, they are constantly working on research and collaborations with other experts in the field of giftedness. Most people rarely hear about this side of their work so it was wonderful to hear Deborah talk about how they are held in such high esteem worldwide. She described CTYI as “a beacon of excellence” and we would certainly agree.

To round off a great day, we sat down to a lovely meal with the staff of CTYI and the authors of the book. At our end of the table, Dazzled and Eleanor Healion brought the tone down a little by watching the England-France match on an iPad. Some more (slightly restrained) shouting was heard, I’m afraid. Despite updates being relayed along the table, eventually Colm O’Reilly couldn’t resist and joined us for a bit of a look himself. So, two great accomplishments for Ireland...the Six Nations Cup and the launch of a groundbreaking book on Gifted Education in Ireland.

It was lovely to catch up with our friend Jennifer Cross again. She and Tracy have been so supportive and encouraging of our efforts as parent advocates and we are looking forward to having them here later in the year. It was also great to meet Dr Jenny Robbins who edited the book and Dr Mihyeon Kim, one of the authors from the US. We hope Jenny managed to surface at 3.45am today and has a fabulous first visit to Paris!

By the time we left the 1838 club at DCU, Dazzled and I were buzzing with energy. I finally collapsed into bed but couldn’t resist the temptation to get stuck into the book.


PS. There is a GAS support group meeting this Wednesday, 25th March, at 7.45pm at the Glenview Hotel. All welcome!

Wednesday, October 23, 2013

How Teachers See Parents - Another Angle?

I was recently asked by a teacher if I found this post offensive after I replied to his link saying “At least we know where we stand now”. The article in question seemed like a bit of a rant to me. I don’t mind rants, they have their place, but I don’t like when a rant is disguised as a ‘helpful guide’ for the people the author is ranting about! I wasn’t offended, it wasn’t personal, but I am a parent and so the article was supposedly directed at me. Like many (in fairness, most) teachers I am an (Honours!) graduate. I have a postgraduate business qualification, a Masters degree, am about to complete my second Masters degree and embark upon a PhD. I don’t get paid extra for having these qualifications, or the Honours degree. I paid my fees from my own earnings, and I worked on them all in my own time, during holidays, weekends and evenings.


Like many, many parents, in all manner of careers and none, I am widely read and generally well informed about life. I know my children particularly well. I, like many (in fairness, most) parents like to be aware of what my children and others learn in school, how they learn, who they learn from and with. Okay, so maybe I make slightly more of a point to be informed about education in general and my children in particular when it comes to teaching issues. I read ESRI papers on education. I keep up with developments from the DES, the NCCA and the SEC. I have given talks to teachers about Exceptionally Able learners.


So here’s what I would say in reply:


We are your equal. By that I mean, that whether we have honours degrees or no qualifications, whether we are rocket scientists or contract cleaners, when it comes to this relationship, between you, us and our child,  We Are Your Equal. The whole thing hinges on this. It’s a triangular relationship. Three points, three people; child, parent, teacher. Call the points A, B and C for the three people. Let’s call A the point at the top, and B and C the two points on the bottom. The parent and the teacher are at the same level, supporting the child at the top of the relationship. Still equal.


We don’t need you or want you to be a ‘nanny’ to our children, we are the ones who nurture and raise them. We lend them to you for a few hours a day, just as they are lent to us for the few precious years of childhood and adolescence. Yes, you see them in a different light than we do, they are multi-faceted just like you and I. You only see them for short periods, you may not know all there is to know about them. Just because we each see different sides of them, doesn't mean either of us has the ‘best view’. Rather it means that we should acknowledge and learn from each other’s perspectives. You know, like, equals?


Likewise, if you could only take our warnings to heart, it might save that child a lot of heartache in the future. We may have some early warning information for you. Our children might be several years ahead of their peers academically. They might be rejected by their peers for being different. This might make them unhappy. Being unhappy might have an impact on their behaviour. We may have something valuable to offer to you too in that regard. If you tell me my child has “a behaviour problem” why should it be a surprise that I might question that diagnosis? Unless you are also a qualified child psychiatrist it is normal for me to want more information about how you concluded that my child has a behaviour issue. If, on the other hand, you opened a dialogue about how we might support my child when they were upset about an issue and showed it in their behaviour, I might be more amenable to your suggestions. As I said, we’re equally invested in this.


As for making excuses? Who are any of us to dismiss each other when we reveal that we have been having a hard time in our personal lives? If I were to disclose a personal problem or family matter to my child’s teacher, the last thing I would expect from a fellow professional is a dismissive attitude as described in the article. To be fair, I truly do not believe that Irish teachers behave like this. Who is to know what is going on in the teachers’ lives either? When we share a family difficulty which affects our child’s learning, we should be treated with dignity. Likewise, a teacher’s difficulty should be handled sensitively by parents. Equal dignity.


In relation to grades, I don’t believe for one moment that my child’s A’s are not A’s and my child’s B’s or C’s are A’s because the better teacher marks harder! I do trust that teachers mark work fairly and objectively as professionals, so I see no issue here, an A is an A. I know my child’s potential, I have a really good idea what mark they should be aiming for. I can help the teacher by telling them this information, but only if they are willing to listen. Some years ago our eldest just scraped a pass in the Junior Cert mock exam for Maths. We were shocked as we knew he was more than capable in the subject. We called his teacher for a chat to see what might be going on in school. The teacher helpfully suggested grinds and asked what we thought he would get in the Junior Cert itself. An A, we said, and the teacher laughed. Really, he actually laughed out loud! But we knew our son. We got him a grind, just the once, for two hours in total. And in the Junior Cert? He got an A. No surprise to us but a great one to his teacher. So, teachers have 25 students in front of them, parents only have to worry about one? All the more reason to listen to parents when they tell you something about their child. Teachers have something to learn from parents too, because we each sit at a corner of that equilateral triangle.


When it comes to communicating with teachers, I have a whole tray of eggshells to walk on. So if teachers are walking on eggshells with parents too, why don’t we all just wade in and make an omelette? The outcome would be so much tastier than what passes for communication now. The article suggests that parents open the discussion about a classroom incident with "I wanted to let you know something my child said took place in your class, because I know that children can exaggerate and that there are always two sides to every story. I was hoping you could shed some light for me." What?? Is it really necessary for the parent have to give a big preamble? Do teachers need parents to couch a genuine or valid query in these kind of obsequious terms? What’s wrong with just that last bit “could you shed some light for me on what happened in class/yard today as X was a bit upset”? That’s not an attack on the teacher’s integrity, and crucially, nor does it invalidate the child’s. A question among equals.


This article didn’t seem to me to be written for parents at all. It was more a “preaching to the choir” than a genuine opening of dialogue with parents. Its tone was adversarial throughout, as though parents don’t understand teachers while teachers understand every motive of parents and have plenty of helpful ways to correct them. Some of the points may have validity, but they are lost in the implied hierarchy of teacher at the top, parent underneath, and child on the bottom. For my children, I am a resource in their education equal to that of any of their teachers. I don’t like being talked down to, as this article did. I treat every teacher who deals with my child with respect, fairness, dignity and good manners. I expect the same in return for myself and my child, and I expect that modelling this behaviour will teach my child the most important lesson of all, that we are equal.


I should note, that other than the Junior Cert Maths teacher, my own children’s teachers have largely been  excellent. They are approachable and observant, they listen to any concerns we may have and they frequently go over and above what they have to do to engage their students meaningfully. As the article said though, teachers are educated professionals, just as many parents are in different fields,  so I would expect nothing less.

Saturday, September 14, 2013

Parents Move Forward with Gifted Ireland


 

Since 2009 we have been working together as gifted advocates. Our blog was born of this effort and has served as our learning curve in technology, writing styles, social media, collaboration and cooperation. We have consumed copious amounts of coffee and too many buns in our quest for blog perfection! We have had great times with much laughter and the inevitable low points and disagreements along the way, but have grown in the process, united by our shared vision of establishing a support network around the country and advocating on behalf of our children.


Over the past few months, we have met many of the the fantastic parents who have begun to come together around Ireland to offer support to each other locally. This has been truly inspirational. After four years, we are now delighted to move aside and share the stage at last. While the two of us will, no doubt, continue to air our views here as Dazzled and Frazzled from time to time, we invite you all to join the new team at Gifted Ireland.


With this new online initiative, local groups can have a dedicated page where they can post their upcoming events and meetings. As each group is independently run by its members, they will reflect the needs and emphasis of local parents and gifted young people. In time, we hope that groups will be able to share ideas and organise joint events, as we have already done with our Dublin North and Kildare friends.







Monday, June 10, 2013

The Parent Challenge


New Zealand celebrates Gifted Awareness Week from 17th to 23rd June this year and we are delighted to join in their blog tour in anticipation.Ours is a very small contribution, but during the week there will be many more posts looking at giftedness from all sorts of angles. We hope our readers will have a look at the blog tour page or follow #NZGAW on Twitter, and be inspired. 






Parenting a gifted child can be a very lonely and frightening role to play. Our kids most certainly do not come with an instruction booklet and, at times, it can seem that no one knows how to help us figure things out.
Courtesy of Kidspot.com.au
All too often, we defer to the wisdom of professional experts. Yes, there are many wonderful experts out there, advancing the fields of gifted education and psychology, and we must be grateful and supportive of them. (Does it ever strike you how many of these people are either gifted or parents of gifted children themselves?) However, the vast majority professionals with whom we come into contact, do not have training or expertise in giftedness and are liable to misinterpret and misdiagnose. Don't ever forget, there is no one more expert in your child than you! We live with these kids 24/7. We see them in all sorts of situations and moods. We know what makes them tick....well, sometimes!

Parents of gifted children come from diverse backgrounds, educationally, financially, and culturally, but we all have one thing in common: No matter what life throws at us, we will always love and support our children unconditionally. Regardless of career opportunities and politics, we will always look for what is best for our children and we will be relentless in our quest.

As a group, we include educators, psychologists, paediatricians and psychiatrists. Others are great leaders and motivators; some make great coffee; some are wonderful listeners; some provide the much-needed light relief when the going gets tough! Each and every one of us has something to bring to the party.

As a group, we have so much to offer and our challenge must be to find each other, to use each others strengths to support each other, to learn from each other and to develop a loud and powerful voice on behalf of our children.

As individuals, we may often feel swamped, unsure and inadequate. As a group, we have the passion, the skills and the expertise to really make a difference. We should not wait about for others to do this for us. Join your local support group and get stuck in. If there isn’t one, start one. We urge you to rise to the challenge.



Many thanks to Kidspot.com.au for permission to use the above cartoon.

Monday, May 27, 2013

New Centre for Gifted Research Gives Hope to Irish Parents

DCU and the CTYI programme is a refuge for my son every Saturday and, last Friday night, I met my knight in shining armour there at the launch of the new DCU Centre for Gifted Research. 

Professor Tracy Cross, from the Center for Gifted Education at the College of William and Mary in the US, was there to speak at the launch and, more importantly, to us parents who were invited to attend. He is one of the world's leading experts in gifted kids and, as a parent of gifted kids himself, an absolute lifeline to someone like me, who was called into school twice last week because of my seven-year-old son's behaviour!

I know the benefit of talking to other parents in the same position as myself and, to talk to a parent with so much knowledge and experience in this field, was absolutely invaluable. He is such a warm and approachable man and clearly his kids are his best work because he is so obviously proud of them. For someone like myself starting out on this journey of trying to navigate my child through a hostile education system, he is absolutely inspirational. After our chat, I felt hope for the first time - that maybe it's not me failing my child, but instead it is our educational system.

The Centre for Gifted Research is an exciting and long-overdue development and a step forward for our kids. Speaking at the launch, Dr Colm O'Reilly, Director of CTYI, said: 
"We are increasingly expanding the work of CTYI and we believe research plays an important role in providing evidence for the need for gifted programmes and in helping people to understand the academic and social needs of high ability students. We are currently involved in a couple of research projects, including social coping and self concept of gifted students, a study of principals and school policy around academically talented students and an international study around what it is like to be a gifted student."

Two CTYI staff members, Dr Eleanor Healion and Dr Catriona Ledwith, have recently completed PhDs in this field and Eleanor talked about how a number of local schools in disadvantaged areas, selected their brightest students to attend special CTYI programmes. The effect it had on these kids, their families and school friends, was incredible.

CTYI will collaborate with the DCU School of Education Studies in setting up the Centre for Gifted Research to address the needs for research in this area. There are important topics to examine, including online learning, gifted disadvantaged students and STEM related topics. CTYI will need our help in the future, with possible participants in this research and, if you work in an institution that would be interested in collaborating with them in this regard, please get in touch with Colm. 

In the meantime, if you would like to get in touch with Professor Tracy Cross, his email is TLCross@wm.edu. Professor Cross, an endowed chair at the College of William and Mary in Virginia and a leading expert in gifted education, was recently appointed an adjunct professor at DCU to help CTYI in the area of research.

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

The Gifted Phoenix Manifesto For Gifted Education


The topic for discussion at our last #gtie chat was "The Gifted Phoenix Manifesto For Gifted Education".

Gifted Phoenix is the social media pseudonym of Tim Dracup, a former head of the English Gifted and Talented Unit. In that role, he clocked up ten years of experience in the drafting and implementation of national gifted education policy in the UK. 

For the past three years, he has been researching and writing about gifted education policy around the world on the Gifted Phoenix Blog. Tim has a very distinct writing style. His research is meticulous and his posts detailed and factual. He has an unusual ability to remain objective and unemotional. His blog has developed into an invaluable archive of research material, the likes of which you will not find anywhere else.

I always enjoy chats with @GiftedPhoenix because he is not afraid to say what he thinks, even if it jars with the general consensus . It's always far more interesting and exciting when people are prepared to call a spade a spade, don't you think? With @Peter_Lydon and @GiftedPhoenix, this one had great potential!
Tim explained that the Gifted Phoenix manifesto for Gifted Education was written to “encapsulate what I’d learned over 3 years of writing the blog...as a potential programme for change. A text that might attract broad consensus which advocates could use to convince skeptical policy makers (like  used to be) of the case for investment in gifted education”.

The Economic Argument: The economic argument highlights the economic benefits of investment in gifted education. Tim feels that this is part of the answer to the lack of growth that pertains at the moment. There are those who are uncomfortable, to varying degrees, with the use of the economic argument, on the basis that we should not politicise gifted children; that gifted children have special educational needs which deserve support regardless of any economic argument. I agree entirely with this sentiment but, I also feel that we need to be pragmatic. We have been arguing the case for gifted education for years and where has it got us? We have no consensus on what “gifted” is, never mind an effective, equitable programme of gifted education anywhere in the world, as far as I can see. We are all dancing about either trying to appear tolerant of each other’s views or taking umbrage with each other. The broad church model is all very well within the ranks but, let’s face it, if you were an unconverted policymaker, would you fork out some of your precious budget for some airy fairy cause whose advocates couldn’t even agree on a definition or a focus? Let’s be honest; the only thing which cuts any ice with policymakers is the economic argument. If emphasising this argument results in the needs of gifted students being met, then maybe this is what we need to do.

The social/emotional needs: Many, if not most, advocates are concerned about the social and emotional needs of gifted students. They would feel more comfortable if gifted students were promoted in a holistic way as individuals rather than purely as an economic resource. However, the Manifesto clearly states:
  • There should be integrated support for learners, educators and parents/carers, to maximise the benefits from synergy between these streams.
  • Five areas of engagement should also be synergised: learning, professional development, advocacy, research and policy-making.
I believe that, if we can use the economic argument to get the policymakers to adopt our suggested model, recognition of the social and emotional needs of these students will follow naturally. Consider all the current research on gifted students. Does the vast bulk of it not cover these issues? We have enormous amounts of research to show that gifted students have different needs and to show the possible consequences of not meeting them. But policymakers, and indeed most educators, have not shown much interest. It doesn't do much to convince the general public either. We need a different argument to get the door open!

The Elitist Argument: This is an entirely personal point of view but one which I believe the Manifesto addresses nicely. The current situation means that, for the most part, the gifted kids with the best chance of doing well in every sense, are the ones whose parents have the money to gain access to gifted education programmes, where they are available, or to enrichment programmes and extracurricular activities. We need a system which recognises and meets the needs of all gifted students no matter what their background or the wherewithal of their parents. That would blow the elitist argument out of the water. Not to mention that when excellence and equity is promoted within the education system as a whole, all students, not just the gifted ones benefit.

Evidence: In order to have any credibility, all arguments must be evidence-based. There is no room for wishy washy stuff and hunches here. We need good research to back everything up. As Tim points out, that means it must be available, not stashed behind paywalls where it is of no use to anyone outside the chosen few.

The stumbling Block: One huge stumbling block to progress will be the gifted community itself. Tim says,

we must move away determinedly from the disagreements, factions, cliques, petty rivalries, self-promotion and empire-building that characterise the community and work co-operatively together for the benefit of all gifted learners.”

That this is true can be seen very clearly in our tiny country where one individual on a mission to carve a personal profile managed to bring down our national organisation after thirty years of advocacy. Four years later, the politics of this still rumbles on subtly and, instead of all advocates working together, those of us striving to build a network of advocates and to bring about real change for gifted children in Ireland are constantly looking over our shoulders and watching what we say to whom. It is hard to bring people together while at the same time preventing vested interests and egos from undermining or hijacking our efforts in an attempt to self-promote. If a country as small as Ireland can’t get everyone pulling together, what hope do we have globally?  To succeed, this will require a lot of effort, determination and many spades!

Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Gifted Girls

This post was written by Catherine Riordan. It appears on another website, incorrectly attributed to a different author.



The topic for a recent Twitter chat was “Gifted Girls”.

The transcript is no longer available but below is a summary of the chat and a collection of the links that informed it. It is a topic about which much research has been done and I hope you find the information useful and interesting.

Bonus feature if you make it to the end!




  • It seems that parents, teachers, society in general, all treat girls differently, even inadvertently. Girls internalise it.
  • Teachers are more likely to attribute achievement in boys to ability but to hard work in girls.
  • Gifted girls hide intellectual ability in order to conform to their peer group norms.
  • Research suggests that girls try to avoid competition in order to preserve relationships.
  • Take a look at their moms. Some model this - "I have their dad help with their math homework."
  • By early teens, girls learn that to fit in, they can't be too smart, so they dumb down. Then they lose confidence in their ability as they get older.
  • Reis also mentions girls thinking they need high grades to succeed, boys don't.
  • Certainly they (feel) they have to work harder than men to be seen as 'worth the job'
  • The fall off happens in middle school, apparently. When fitting in with their peer group becomes their driving need.
  • How much is the fall off the result of media and advertising portrayal of women? Ads tend to be gender stereotype ads.
  • It seems to be the result of messages from parents, teachers, peers and, no doubt, the media.
  • Society doesn't always help: we had a stupid "I'm too pretty to do math" t-shirt debacle last summer over here.
  • How can parents affirm their girls’ intelligence? Can they do it without making them 'tomboy-ish'? - though aware of the values there!
  • Girls are taught to be pleasant and polite. Boys can be leaders, but girls get labelled bossy!
  • It’s important for mothers to model being smart and for fathers to respect smart women.
  • Interesting; I see girls "hide" their intelligence in middle school and I can see why research indicated this
  • The top three legal positions in Ireland are now held by women for the first time.
  • Standardized tests with short fill-in or multiple choice type answers reward bold, quick answers and willingness to take risks, characteristics more typical of boys than girls
  • My best support was my parents. They challenged me not to fit in. To stand out. What I encourage in girls.
  • An ad released by EU to encourage women to get into science - see what you think http://t.co/wSeOT8m3
  • Good grief!
  • What messages do we need to say to gifted girls to get them to accept their ability?
  • Mentors are invaluable for girls and women. Make more of a difference than for men.
  • We need to start very early by being aware of the subtle messages we give them, even without meaning to.
  • In all things, the clothes they wear, programmes on TV they watch etc
  • Very much agreed: older mentors would be very helpful (either gender)--share successes, pitfalls, etc!
  • There are some great role models out there now, such as @aoifemcl and @aoibhinn_ni_s (Aoife McLysaght and Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin)
  • I think men/fathers have an important role there too. I wonder should ante-natal classes include a bit on gender stereotypes?

Social and Emotional Issues Faced by Gifted Girls in Elementary and Secondary School by Dr. Sally Reis. This is well worth a read as it covers just about everything.


Many Gifted Girls, Few Eminent Women: Why? by Anita Gurian, PhD Focuses on possible reasons why giftedness in many girls fades as they grow older. Another great read.

Gifted Girls by Joan Franklin Smutny Particularly useful for teachers wishing to identify gifted girls in the classroom and to bring out their talent.

Why Smart Girls Abandon Their Dreams and How to Stop It by Dr Barbara Kerr.
"If we want smart girls to become not just experts but innovators, we need to encourage their taking on challenges, letting go of perfectionism and bouncing back from mistakes. We need to promote time alone and de-emphasize the need to be liked. We need to help them learn that their bodies are not their identities."

Smart Girls: A New Psychology of Girls, Women, and Giftedness by Dr Barbara Kerr.


Gifted Girls’ Passion for Fiction: The Quest for Meaning, Growth, and Self-Actualization by Susan Lee Stutler

"Time spent in solitude reading fiction helped the girls overcome adversity, allowed them to resist enculturation, and caused them to question the split between the way things are and they way things should be. The girls used fiction to self-educate as they began to realize their lives’ purpose."

Helping Gifted Girls Reach Their Potential by Dr Linda Kreger Silverman


Do Gifted Girls & Boys Interpret Difficulty Differently?

"Bright girls were much quicker to doubt their ability, to lose confidence, and to become less effective learners as a result." Carol Dweck.

Hoagies list of books for/about gifted girls


"You Could Be Doing Brain Surgery”: Gifted Girls Becoming Teachers by Colleen Willard-Holt.

"There is little question that our society desperately needs teachers who are gifted. Yet gifted students who express an interest in a teaching career are often discouraged by family members, friends, teachers, and counselors."

Parenting Gifted Girls: Focus on Math, Science and Technology by Ann Lupkowski-Shoplik, Ph.D., and Pamela J. Piskurich, M.S.


Perfectionism: The Crucible of Giftedness by Dr Linda Kreger Silverman


2 extras:

Career Counselling: Special Problems of Gifted Girls by Dr Linda Kreger Silverman

Gifted Girls to Gifted Women presentation by Lori Comallie-Caplan There is a huge amount of information in here.



And, now your reward:

Women: Know Your Limits!


Sunday, October 14, 2012

Gifted Children and Tests

This was written by Catherine Riordan. It appears without permission on another website, incorrectly attributed to another author.


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At #gtie last week we discussed Gifted Children and Tests. Not only did we have participants from Dublin, Kildare, Wicklow and Cork, we had our faithful supporters from the US; Toby from Oklahoma and Lisa from Pittsburgh. Amongst our number, there were parents of both primary and secondary school students, a homeschooler, teachers and an educational psychologist. So, a wide range of experience!

Here is a brief summary of what came up, with a few extra links:

The problems that gifted children may encounter in tests:
  • Poor concentration, not finishing.
  • Test anxiety: Gifted Children Scared of Tests
  • Perfectionism: Helping Gifted Students Cope With Perfectionism
  • I think there's a fear of being exposed as a fraud if they don't excel
  • Big issue with current 'high stakes' tests is that they are mostly 'scribble down all the knowledge you can’ type tests rather than ‘apply the knowledge and solve problems’ type test.
  • If kids find tests easy when young, they may never learn study skills. When things get harder later, self-doubt is introduced. They need challenge from the outset.
Then we moved on to the types of tests done:
  • I favour the International Baccalaureate over others like the Leaving Certificate  because of the Continuous Assessment component and the real world experience.
  • I wish we could base tests on real-world issues and problems. Use take-home format and give time to reflect.
  • More standardised testing is a concern. Once the minimum standard reached, the box is ticked, "everyone" is happy and gifted kids left unstretched.
  • Parents should watch for this in school in Ireland now - more standardised testing coming down the line. (In primary and secondaryNCCA report on standardised testing at second level)
  • I hope this won't mean more teaching-to-the-test, but my hopes aren't too high!
  • It will because as ever, standardised tests will be used to judge teachers, not the students sitting them- Cracked!! (Standardised Testing and Its Victims)
  • Testing is black and white answers that give a final number; assessment is more subtle but has more subjectivity in it.
  • Testing versus assessment
How do we help children cope with the expectation of tests?
  • In my children's primary schools neither they, nor we, were told in advance when the standarised tests would be, no hype.
  • True, I think they didn't want the mammies getting hyper more than the kids though!
  • I think it depends on the child. DD1 needs reminding to prepare. DD2 needs to be told 'it's only a test'. (DD means dear/darling daughter)
  • A shift of focus from praising children for being clever to praising their effort and hard work.
  • Definitely praise is a must - self esteem can be a problem but how to stress a test is important,  to do his best, without making him feel pressured?
  • Praising effort and results while not praising the individual is pretty tough but can be done with good results.
  • Helping children cope with studies
Now we moved on to more philosphical matters!
  • Information on Assessment for Learning (AfL) from the UK.
  • Common Core Standards from the US.
  • Common Core has an interesting by-line-'preparing America's STUDENTS for college and career' rather than PEOPLE for living.
  • A kid is so much more than his/her exam results.
  • They are important but if we make exams a zero-sum game - it just freaks kids out.
  • Testing can tell a kid they have failed - not why. We need to help them understand why: Kids Fail Less When They Know Failure Is Part Of Learning, Study Finds
  • All of these standardized tests reduce students (and now/in future) teachers and schools to a number. NOT humanitarian.
  • Some kids have talents that aren't measured by exams but may become central to later life success. Need to see big picture.
  • Exactly, who says we have to measure it all at 15 or 18 anyway? We can't possibly, nor should we want to.
  • It's very wrong that we tell kids they are failures at the age of 18 just because they didn't do well in a state exam.
  • Taylor's Multiple-Talent Model
Finally: Education should make a child feel competent; testing can undermine that.